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					<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;Leaving Church by sigsegv at Flickr  I follow the blog Letters from Leavers with some regularity. I really DON'T like reading it. It usually makes me upset. It makes me sad. It should. It's a blog about leaving the Church.  A recent post from Letters from Leavers discusses an interesting idea that many 'emerging anti-church types' have. It's hardly a new idea, but it's gaining prominence these days.   The idea is that Jesus is actually sending you away from the Church because the Church is filled with all sorts&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: nathanimal</title>
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		<author>nathanimal</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 21:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I admire your relationship you have with the Lord. I would have to say that so many in the church today seem to be missing the personal component in relation to the Lord. Sometimes I think we only see a blanket and not the real person. But I must not hesitate to mention so many folks that I do know that love the Lord with all their soul, that are in the IC. The IC sometimes paints a bleak picture of true followers of Christ, but that is not always the rule. I know many mature—godly ministers who only want to see their sheep growing in Christ. I know many who fight against the tide of legalism and social club mentality. But again, this may be the exception.
I don't think people should give up on the IC as a whole. I know from personal experience that churches can be very counter-productive in Christian growth. Because they focus on trivial and sometimes very misleading and harmful practices. But I have also learned that in the New Testament things were really not that different. Paul mentions many times to the point of redundancy that the Churches he was in contact with had severe problems—especially the Corinthian Church. Paul did not give up on them, but was patient to work through their bad theology and moral issues. Even Peter had come to discriminate between gentile and Jew. And again you see Paul rebuking Peter. Then Peter repenting.
So the IC is not a perfect institution whatsoever. In fact far from it. I sometimes think about how Christ thinks about his bride and her self-destructive ways. Could you imagine being married to the Church?
Yet Christ is faithful. Don't misunderstand me, I don't mean   the Church as a building but a group of believers. Christ is coming for his bride. She is a mess, but He loves her.
To say that all IC's are bad because of your own bad experience with it is a non-sequitur.
If I say that my dad is a wife-beater, I cannot say that all dads are wife beater's. This a fallacious premise. Instead, I should say, well, my dad is a wife beater but not all dad's are wife-beaters. Therefore there are good dad's who do not beat their wife.
In the same sense, there are good church's who do a wonderful job of loving the people in it. Even if the church is not a perfect place.
I sympathize with your situation. I might not go back to the church or the group you were meeting with either. But I must be patient and know that Christ does not want us to forsake meeting together. Even if that is with just 2-3 believers. As you may have already found out, Christians are just as sinful as the rest of the world, yet there is someone in us who painstakingly works to change our thoughts and lifestyle to conform to his will. Even if that takes a lifetime. I have no doubt that you trust the Lord and that you will go where He sends you. Just don't make the assumption that the church as a whole has got it wrong. 

Take care, Nate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admire your relationship you have with the Lord. I would have to say that so many in the church today seem to be missing the personal component in relation to the Lord. Sometimes I think we only see a blanket and not the real person. But I must not hesitate to mention so many folks that I do know that love the Lord with all their soul, that are in the IC. The IC sometimes paints a bleak picture of true followers of Christ, but that is not always the rule. I know many mature—godly ministers who only want to see their sheep growing in Christ. I know many who fight against the tide of legalism and social club mentality. But again, this may be the exception.<br />
I don&#8217;t think people should give up on the IC as a whole. I know from personal experience that churches can be very counter-productive in Christian growth. Because they focus on trivial and sometimes very misleading and harmful practices. But I have also learned that in the New Testament things were really not that different. Paul mentions many times to the point of redundancy that the Churches he was in contact with had severe problems—especially the Corinthian Church. Paul did not give up on them, but was patient to work through their bad theology and moral issues. Even Peter had come to discriminate between gentile and Jew. And again you see Paul rebuking Peter. Then Peter repenting.<br />
So the IC is not a perfect institution whatsoever. In fact far from it. I sometimes think about how Christ thinks about his bride and her self-destructive ways. Could you imagine being married to the Church?<br />
Yet Christ is faithful. Don&#8217;t misunderstand me, I don&#8217;t mean   the Church as a building but a group of believers. Christ is coming for his bride. She is a mess, but He loves her.<br />
To say that all IC&#8217;s are bad because of your own bad experience with it is a non-sequitur.<br />
If I say that my dad is a wife-beater, I cannot say that all dads are wife beater&#8217;s. This a fallacious premise. Instead, I should say, well, my dad is a wife beater but not all dad&#8217;s are wife-beaters. Therefore there are good dad&#8217;s who do not beat their wife.<br />
In the same sense, there are good church&#8217;s who do a wonderful job of loving the people in it. Even if the church is not a perfect place.<br />
I sympathize with your situation. I might not go back to the church or the group you were meeting with either. But I must be patient and know that Christ does not want us to forsake meeting together. Even if that is with just 2-3 believers. As you may have already found out, Christians are just as sinful as the rest of the world, yet there is someone in us who painstakingly works to change our thoughts and lifestyle to conform to his will. Even if that takes a lifetime. I have no doubt that you trust the Lord and that you will go where He sends you. Just don&#8217;t make the assumption that the church as a whole has got it wrong. </p>
<p>Take care, Nate.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<author>Robin</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 03:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Patti!

I disagree with Nate. You seem to be a god loving and obedient servant and if God tells you to leave Babylon, then that is what you must do. If he wants you to wander in the desert or the wilderness and live on your daily manna so that you may learn to depend wholly on him, and hear his voice, then that is what you must do. You cannot live on a borrowed revelation.

There are lots of people like you who have been led out of the Church system. Some for a time, and some forever. You will find fellowship, but you are absolutely right in seeing that creating your own church will only create the kinds of situations you had before. God is creating for himself a people with his laws written on the fleshly tables of their hearts. I firmly believe that THESE people are the CHURCH. The called out ones. And there is no leader but God.

Google a writer named Ray Prinzing - he passed away several years ago, but I found great comfort in his writing, and it is quite clear this man was spreading the word of god and not into kingdom building.

I have been finding lots of people online who have some of the same experience as you.

Here are a couple of blogs I've been enjoying:

http://jonfeatherstone.wordpress.com/
http://uchurch.wordpress.com/

god bless you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Patti!</p>
<p>I disagree with Nate. You seem to be a god loving and obedient servant and if God tells you to leave Babylon, then that is what you must do. If he wants you to wander in the desert or the wilderness and live on your daily manna so that you may learn to depend wholly on him, and hear his voice, then that is what you must do. You cannot live on a borrowed revelation.</p>
<p>There are lots of people like you who have been led out of the Church system. Some for a time, and some forever. You will find fellowship, but you are absolutely right in seeing that creating your own church will only create the kinds of situations you had before. God is creating for himself a people with his laws written on the fleshly tables of their hearts. I firmly believe that THESE people are the CHURCH. The called out ones. And there is no leader but God.</p>
<p>Google a writer named Ray Prinzing - he passed away several years ago, but I found great comfort in his writing, and it is quite clear this man was spreading the word of god and not into kingdom building.</p>
<p>I have been finding lots of people online who have some of the same experience as you.</p>
<p>Here are a couple of blogs I&#8217;ve been enjoying:</p>
<p><a href="http://jonfeatherstone.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://jonfeatherstone.wordpress.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://uchurch.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://uchurch.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>god bless you!</p>
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		<title>By: nathanimal</title>
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		<author>nathanimal</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 17:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This is to Patti and Robin.  Serving the Lord is a journey. I have no doubt that Patti loves the Lord. I cannot say what is right or wrong when it comes to how God deals with us as individuals. He is God, and we are not. I see that Patti wants fellowship with other believers. That is good and is a sign that you want to share in your journey. I may have come across as saying you must meet in a church building, but that is not what I mean. I think I was actually agreeing with Patti in that she still wanted to meet with other believers, just maybe not with the IC infrastructure. Again, I cannot say what is right or wrong in her situation. All I meant to say is that not all IC's have got it wrong. That’s all I meant. If Patti meets with believers in a different setting, more power to her. All I wanted to stress is not forsaking meeting together. That’s all. But if God has not given us someone to meet with, than this is His call. It's not a matter of right or wrong at all.
Just remember that in this journey we are not spiritual lone rangers. We are apart of the body of Christ. Patti's struggles and victories will help someone else in the body of believers. And visa versa. But I know that you already know this. 

As a side note to consider I want to make something known. Christ has worked in the IC for 2000 years. There were ups and downs. There were splits and joining together. The Holy Spirit was not dormant. He works just as much today as he did back then in the first century. We are what the early reformers called semper reformanda. We are always reforming. I have seen through history that our journey in knowing of God is very progressive and not static. I can't say enough to people I know that they should study church history. There is a treasure chest full of gems if you are willing to examine it. You should look up “Protestant Reformers” on Wikipedia and find out who were the key people that gave us religious freedom. Why you are more of a protestant and not a Roman Catholic and such. You must understand that many people died for our rights to believe the way we do today. We must thank God we are not under the oppression of Rome. We didn’t just magically wake up one day and find ourselves in the position we are in. People like John Hus, John Wycliffe and Martin Luther went through persecution and even death to bring us the freedom we enjoy today.

Carry on,
Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is to Patti and Robin.  Serving the Lord is a journey. I have no doubt that Patti loves the Lord. I cannot say what is right or wrong when it comes to how God deals with us as individuals. He is God, and we are not. I see that Patti wants fellowship with other believers. That is good and is a sign that you want to share in your journey. I may have come across as saying you must meet in a church building, but that is not what I mean. I think I was actually agreeing with Patti in that she still wanted to meet with other believers, just maybe not with the IC infrastructure. Again, I cannot say what is right or wrong in her situation. All I meant to say is that not all IC&#8217;s have got it wrong. That’s all I meant. If Patti meets with believers in a different setting, more power to her. All I wanted to stress is not forsaking meeting together. That’s all. But if God has not given us someone to meet with, than this is His call. It&#8217;s not a matter of right or wrong at all.<br />
Just remember that in this journey we are not spiritual lone rangers. We are apart of the body of Christ. Patti&#8217;s struggles and victories will help someone else in the body of believers. And visa versa. But I know that you already know this. </p>
<p>As a side note to consider I want to make something known. Christ has worked in the IC for 2000 years. There were ups and downs. There were splits and joining together. The Holy Spirit was not dormant. He works just as much today as he did back then in the first century. We are what the early reformers called semper reformanda. We are always reforming. I have seen through history that our journey in knowing of God is very progressive and not static. I can&#8217;t say enough to people I know that they should study church history. There is a treasure chest full of gems if you are willing to examine it. You should look up “Protestant Reformers” on Wikipedia and find out who were the key people that gave us religious freedom. Why you are more of a protestant and not a Roman Catholic and such. You must understand that many people died for our rights to believe the way we do today. We must thank God we are not under the oppression of Rome. We didn’t just magically wake up one day and find ourselves in the position we are in. People like John Hus, John Wycliffe and Martin Luther went through persecution and even death to bring us the freedom we enjoy today.</p>
<p>Carry on,<br />
Nate</p>
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		<title>By: rosacola</title>
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		<author>rosacola</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 01:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nate,

Those are some good thoughts, but you must understand that what we call the church today is very much a 'Western' cultural idea. To think that is what God wants from us, His Children (Church), is a ploy of the enemy. That enemy has blinded us all for many years to think that what we do on Sunday is what Church is all about. I agree that God is not absent from the IC, but I do not believe that is what He wants or has wanted for us all these years! 

Here are some very challenging books to read:
http://www.ptmin.org/books.htm
(start from the bottom and work up)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate,</p>
<p>Those are some good thoughts, but you must understand that what we call the church today is very much a &#8216;Western&#8217; cultural idea. To think that is what God wants from us, His Children (Church), is a ploy of the enemy. That enemy has blinded us all for many years to think that what we do on Sunday is what Church is all about. I agree that God is not absent from the IC, but I do not believe that is what He wants or has wanted for us all these years! </p>
<p>Here are some very challenging books to read:<br />
<a href="http://www.ptmin.org/books.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ptmin.org/books.htm</a><br />
(start from the bottom and work up)</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<author>Robin</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 03:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nate - even Babylon hath been a golden cup in hte Lord's hands. I did not mean to rail against the IC. Some people do very well in the Chruch system, and i know that it has its portion of God's blessing. I am certainly not condemning it. That being said, I think it is fascinating to see what is going on with so many people leaving organized religion. Some are called to create new churches, some are called into the wilderness. You are right it is God's call. My point was simply to let Patti know that she is not alone in her journey, many others are on the same path. The important thing is that she listen to what god is telling her and feel good about it. And sometimes God does mean for someone to be a spiritual lone wolf. That is what John the Baptist certainly was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate - even Babylon hath been a golden cup in hte Lord&#8217;s hands. I did not mean to rail against the IC. Some people do very well in the Chruch system, and i know that it has its portion of God&#8217;s blessing. I am certainly not condemning it. That being said, I think it is fascinating to see what is going on with so many people leaving organized religion. Some are called to create new churches, some are called into the wilderness. You are right it is God&#8217;s call. My point was simply to let Patti know that she is not alone in her journey, many others are on the same path. The important thing is that she listen to what god is telling her and feel good about it. And sometimes God does mean for someone to be a spiritual lone wolf. That is what John the Baptist certainly was.</p>
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		<title>By: heyrick</title>
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		<author>heyrick</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 21:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey Patti,

You are not alone.  For us "church" or "being the church" is a way of living rather than a specific location or group of people.  While involved in the IC my radar for being the church outside of service times, program involvement, prayer meetings and visitation was OFF.  I never considered praying, fellowshiping, learning about God, sharing a meal or encouraging one another OUTSIDE of the structure of the IC "as church" because it wasn't associated with the IC.  I know that sounds really stupid but I remember disregarding opportunities to get to know neighbors, co-workers and others who crossed my path in life because they weren't interested in going to church or because they were involved with another church...go figure.

Since leaving the IC my 'being the church' radar is always ON.  It's crazy how regular everyday living is saturated with opportunities to be the church with the folks who cross your paths in your normal course of living.  One of my customers described our way of living as "Doing church all the time, everywhere with everybody" and I think that sums it up well.  

Thanks for sharing your story.

Rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Patti,</p>
<p>You are not alone.  For us &#8220;church&#8221; or &#8220;being the church&#8221; is a way of living rather than a specific location or group of people.  While involved in the IC my radar for being the church outside of service times, program involvement, prayer meetings and visitation was OFF.  I never considered praying, fellowshiping, learning about God, sharing a meal or encouraging one another OUTSIDE of the structure of the IC &#8220;as church&#8221; because it wasn&#8217;t associated with the IC.  I know that sounds really stupid but I remember disregarding opportunities to get to know neighbors, co-workers and others who crossed my path in life because they weren&#8217;t interested in going to church or because they were involved with another church&#8230;go figure.</p>
<p>Since leaving the IC my &#8216;being the church&#8217; radar is always ON.  It&#8217;s crazy how regular everyday living is saturated with opportunities to be the church with the folks who cross your paths in your normal course of living.  One of my customers described our way of living as &#8220;Doing church all the time, everywhere with everybody&#8221; and I think that sums it up well.  </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your story.</p>
<p>Rick</p>
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		<title>By: rosacola</title>
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		<author>rosacola</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 22:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Rick,

I appreciate your way with words. I totally relate to what you just said here, for I was the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>I appreciate your way with words. I totally relate to what you just said here, for I was the same.</p>
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		<title>By: rosario</title>
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					<description>oh precious i have read your testimony and i truely understand you because im going thru the same experience you are going thru i have gone back to the church several occassion because i have a 6 yr old daughter i truely believed that she needs to have the environment of other children that love our FATHER but i also see that i need fellowship but every time i try to go back to the building church im so very grieved i ask the LORD why do i see these thing false worship, idols of the heart which can be pastors, church buildings,and no true heartly fellowship and love to each other i have seen so many things in the church i ask my FATHER why do you show me these thing i have been inlightened about 5yrs. but i have truely walk in intamate relationship with him about 2yrs he is my teacher my source my health i have cryed and cryed to have fellowship with other but i know now that he can put anyone in my path at the store in the parking lot at the mall or park and a conversation just so naturally begins with a stranger its him in me not me ohh how i feast in his presence he's my joy its overhelming how my path in this vessel is controled by his substance he reveiled to me he knows everyones heart he knows where he wants me and also he know that i desire him and praise him because with him in control i have not to worry about fellowship, spreading the gospel or even praising him in my natural man but its by the spirit him in me these are being done without any carnal effort i used to grieve when i tried to do it in the carnal peopl would get angry but know him controlling his creative word coming out of my mouth pure love comes out people listen all praise and honor to my christ my life i wont ever grieve over going to church no more at night when everyones asleep he wakes me up and im learning to be silent i have a wonderful teacher to listen and i desire to have my FATHERS heart in me to love love love everyone i dont care what they do to me only he can do it GOD OUR FATHER BLESS YOU RICHLEY  p.s. oh people condem me for not going to church but o well i prefer hearing the masters call</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh precious i have read your testimony and i truely understand you because im going thru the same experience you are going thru i have gone back to the church several occassion because i have a 6 yr old daughter i truely believed that she needs to have the environment of other children that love our FATHER but i also see that i need fellowship but every time i try to go back to the building church im so very grieved i ask the LORD why do i see these thing false worship, idols of the heart which can be pastors, church buildings,and no true heartly fellowship and love to each other i have seen so many things in the church i ask my FATHER why do you show me these thing i have been inlightened about 5yrs. but i have truely walk in intamate relationship with him about 2yrs he is my teacher my source my health i have cryed and cryed to have fellowship with other but i know now that he can put anyone in my path at the store in the parking lot at the mall or park and a conversation just so naturally begins with a stranger its him in me not me ohh how i feast in his presence he&#8217;s my joy its overhelming how my path in this vessel is controled by his substance he reveiled to me he knows everyones heart he knows where he wants me and also he know that i desire him and praise him because with him in control i have not to worry about fellowship, spreading the gospel or even praising him in my natural man but its by the spirit him in me these are being done without any carnal effort i used to grieve when i tried to do it in the carnal peopl would get angry but know him controlling his creative word coming out of my mouth pure love comes out people listen all praise and honor to my christ my life i wont ever grieve over going to church no more at night when everyones asleep he wakes me up and im learning to be silent i have a wonderful teacher to listen and i desire to have my FATHERS heart in me to love love love everyone i dont care what they do to me only he can do it GOD OUR FATHER BLESS YOU RICHLEY  p.s. oh people condem me for not going to church but o well i prefer hearing the masters call</p>
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		<title>By: gpickren</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The Loneliness of the Christian

by A. W. Tozer

         

            The loneliness of the Christian results from his walk with God in an ungodly world, a walk that must often take him away from the fellowship of good Christians as well as from that of the unregenerate world. His God-given instincts cry out for companionship with others of his kind, others who can understand his longings, his aspirations, his absorption in the love of Christ; and because within his circle of friends there are so few who share his inner experiences he is forced to walk alone.

            The unsatisfied longings of the prophets for human understanding caused them to cry out in their complaint, and even our Lord Himself suffered in the same way.

            The man [or woman] who has passed on into the divine Presence in actual inner experience will not find many who understand him. He finds few who care to talk about that which is the supreme object of his interest, so he is often silent and preoccupied in the midst of noisy religious shoptalk. For this he earns the reputation of being dull and over-serious, so he is avoided and the gulf between him and society widens.

            He searches for friends upon whose garments he can detect the smell of myrrh and aloes and cassia out of the ivory palaces, and finding few or none he, like Mary of old, keeps these things in his heart.

            It is this very loneliness that throws him back upon God. His inability to find human companionship drives him to seek in God what he can find nowhere else."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Loneliness of the Christian</p>
<p>by A. W. Tozer</p>
<p>            The loneliness of the Christian results from his walk with God in an ungodly world, a walk that must often take him away from the fellowship of good Christians as well as from that of the unregenerate world. His God-given instincts cry out for companionship with others of his kind, others who can understand his longings, his aspirations, his absorption in the love of Christ; and because within his circle of friends there are so few who share his inner experiences he is forced to walk alone.</p>
<p>            The unsatisfied longings of the prophets for human understanding caused them to cry out in their complaint, and even our Lord Himself suffered in the same way.</p>
<p>            The man [or woman] who has passed on into the divine Presence in actual inner experience will not find many who understand him. He finds few who care to talk about that which is the supreme object of his interest, so he is often silent and preoccupied in the midst of noisy religious shoptalk. For this he earns the reputation of being dull and over-serious, so he is avoided and the gulf between him and society widens.</p>
<p>            He searches for friends upon whose garments he can detect the smell of myrrh and aloes and cassia out of the ivory palaces, and finding few or none he, like Mary of old, keeps these things in his heart.</p>
<p>            It is this very loneliness that throws him back upon God. His inability to find human companionship drives him to seek in God what he can find nowhere else.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gpickren</title>
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		<author>gpickren</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The Longer Version .....

is so good I thought I should include it for those interested.

http://www.worldinvisible.com/library/tozer/5j00.0010/5j00.0010.39.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Longer Version &#8230;..</p>
<p>is so good I thought I should include it for those interested.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.worldinvisible.com/library/tozer/5j00.0010/5j00.0010.39.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldinvisible.com/library/tozer/5j00.0010/5j00.0010.39.htm</a></p>
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